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REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

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REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

Postby haso » 31 Mar 2011, 20:40

Konačno se progovorilo o moralu&etici u planinarenju&alpinizmu, odnosno o običnoj istini. Nažalost, postalo je normalno objavljivati ublehe&laži, i to na sva zvona. Npr. protekli vikend sam bio na Jezercu na Prenju. Pregledajući knjigu gostiju pričit'o sam da su Grabus i dva mlađa momka penjali sj.zapadni brid Osobca 08. avgusta. Inače, radi se o zimskoj smjeri. Dalje, dva momka (ZG i SA) sa kojima sam se sreo lani na Jezercu, koje je GSS Konjica skidao prvog dana Rmazana sa Otiša (prva akcija GSS Konjic) su napisali da su bivakirali u stijeni. Ko čita, a ne zna detalje, rek'o bi da se radi o planiranom bivaku u 2000-metarskoj smjeri, a ne o debaklu u Šefer-Mihaljevićevoj smjeri.
Ako budemo otvoreni&direktni, možda lovačkim pričama stanemo u kraj.
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Re: REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

Postby Armin » 31 Mar 2011, 21:03

Hasagicu, sto se tice tog uspona 08. avgusta, postoje slike na fb koje je jedan od dvojice momaka postavio.
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Re: REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

Postby haso » 31 Mar 2011, 21:09

Kako kažu Crnogorci kad krenu u goste - ja ću tebe zvat vojvodo, ti mene serdaru, a mi znamo koja smo govna.
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Re: REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

Postby haso » 01 Apr 2011, 19:01

armine, nije sporno da su penjali, već tajming. Japanci su izmislili vodu u prahu, samo je nemaju s čime razmutit. Ili: i Tarzan je skočio u prazan bazen. Dakle, sj.zap brid Osobca je zimska smjer. Ko hoće, može tatat po kleki i u avgustu, al to je neka druga disciplina, nije alpinizam.
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Re: REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

Postby Armin » 02 Apr 2011, 05:35

Od smijeri se razumijem samo u one na semaforu. Ali inace *ebo takmicenje u planini, imam toga na poslu ...a i ti se kani alpinizima, vidis sta cini od ljudi, jal zavide jedni drugima, jal lazu, jal ginu * :)




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Re: REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

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Re: REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

Postby 3oka » 12 Apr 2011, 09:08

u spremanju kotlica, kolicini ociscenog smeca, duzini markiranih staza . . .
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Re: REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

Postby Hasna » 12 Apr 2011, 15:29

Da krenemo prvo od smeća u planinama!Svi zanmo i prešućujemo ili džaba pričamo a niko ne sluša, jedni drugima, a nikakva hajra. Kada odem na Mojmilo i vidim smeće oko onih klupa, jeste gadno, ali tu dolazi razna bagra, ali kada vidim smeće na Jezercu, eh, onda... Imal kakva tema o smeću na planinama, pa da krenemo od Jezerca, Trnovačkog jezera...itd
P.S. Haso, i od tebe neke fajde, danas me dva puta nasmija, a ovo je baš od srca (vojvoda i serdar)....
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Re: REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

Postby nailovamater » 12 Apr 2011, 16:12

ovaj topic bi trebalo nazvati:

REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak, Hasna :cool:
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Re: REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

Postby haso » 13 Apr 2011, 19:53

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Re: REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

Postby sascha » 14 Apr 2011, 10:59

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Re: REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

Postby Zoka » 14 Apr 2011, 19:20

Izgleda, na Balkanu nista novo ...

Ja licno vjerujem da su obadvojica popeli Everest prvi. Isto tako je i Petar prvi. I moj jaran Fiko je prvi, (iako nikad nece da javi telefonom a stanuje 15 minuta od mene autom. :roll: )

Ko je kriv Petru i Fiki sto su radili dvije godine, i nisu izasli negdje na pivo da im ne zafali para za expediciju? Fiko je vjerovatno platio 30-40,000$ za ovu turu. Mogao je kupiti novi Ford Explorer a ne da vozimo onaj njegov mini-van sto trosi vise ulja za motor nego benzina. Ako je Dragan uspio da se poveze sa sponzorima i "unovci" svoje uspjehe, to bi trebalo shvatiti kao inspiraciju!

Dragan je ne samo dobar planinar nego i poslovan covjek. Meni se svidja kako to sve radi. Vremenom je uspio da izraste u izvanrednog organizatora. Po karijeri podsjeca malo na Toneta Skarju, koji nikada nije bio alpinist kao Prezelj, Jeglic ili Humar ali je ostavio svoj pecat na YU i Slovenacki alpinizam.

Ne treba zaboraviti naseg Gafu isto tako. Dragan podjeca i na njega. Voljeli Gafu ili ne, niko ga ne moze izbrisati iz BiH alpinizma. To nije moguce. On igra jos uvijek znacajnu ulogu na tim prostorima.

Na kraju ove price da pozdravim covjeka kojem sam se najvise divio dok sam bio u Bosni, talentovanom piscu i dobroj dusi Zalcu. Ja jos uvijek ponekad citam njegove osvrte iz Nasih Planina i jos nista takvo nije napisano na bosanskom (ili srpsko-hrvatskom) jeziku do sada. Durmo je lijepo pisao ali Zalac je bio nesto posebno!

Ja se nadam da ce objaviti mnogo svoje neobjavljene clanke ovdje na Zonama. Ili u nekoj knjizi ... Jedva cekam.
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Re: REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

Postby Zoka » 14 Apr 2011, 19:41

Samo da napomenem nesto ...

Prije puno godina sam penjao sa Zeljkom Knezom. On je dugo vremena bio moj mentor.

Inicialno Rudan je bio prvi koji me je vodio u smjerove na Romaniji i "brinuo" se o meni. Nakon toga se Knez puno trudio oko mene. Sjecam se da je imao obicaj (svaki put!) da pri usponu, napravi anker 5-10 metara prije svakog izlaska na vrh i kaze mi da zavrsim uspon. Bez obzira sto je uvijek imao dosta duzine uzeta da sam zavrsi uspon.

Meni je to tada puno znacilo ali nisam nikad rekao. Kad sam se ponekad pobunio i rekao da on zavrsi uspon i izadje na vrh, on mi je uvijek otvoreno rekao da bi volio da ja izadjem prvi i da bi mu to puno znacilo. Zato svi Vi koji biste voljeli da penjete negdje i da dozivite respekt bez obzira na iskustvo, nazovite ga i pitajte sta ima u planu da penje. Pitaje mozete li i vi s njim. Necete se pokajati ...

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Re: REAGOVANJA - Šišić, Žalica, Vatrenjak

Postby haso » 14 Apr 2011, 20:34

Zoka, hvala ti "ispred mene". K'o da si nas čuo na zadnjoj prenjskoj turi,toliko te je Knez spominjo. Lijepa gesta, nema šta.
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