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PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ - CO (ugljen monoksid)

PostPosted: 18 Feb 2010, 12:24
by nailovamater
kad neće niko drugi mora matera...

dvojica učesnika memorijala lupoglav su, nakon dolaska u logor, zatvorili se u šator i na plinskom kuhalu topili snijeg. šator je bio zatvoren. za kratko vrijeme su dobili simptome gušenja ugljen monoksidom: nesvjesticu , mučninu i povraćanje, otežano disanje, poremećenu koordinacija pokreta...srećom, u logoru je bio ljekar koji se pobrinuo o unesrećenim...

simptomi gušenja su nastali usljed povišene koncentracije ugljen monoksida (CO). pri normalnom sagorijevanju propan-butan smjese, koja sagorijeva u plinskim kuhalima, nastaje ugljen dioksid i voda. međutim, ako je smanjen dotok zraka stvara se ugljen monoksid. ovo je veoma opasan gas jer ima do 300 puta veći afinitet prema hemoglobinu krvi nego kiseonik, tj. istiskuje kisik iz krvi. ugljen monoksid nema ni mirisa ni ukusa i zato je veoma opasan jer čovjek nije svjestan opasnosti.

PLINSKA KUHALA UVIJEK KORISTITE NA OTVORENOM PROSTORU, A UKOLIKO JE TO NEIZVODLJIVO (NPR. ZBOG NEVREMENA I SL), KORISTITE IH U PREDSOBLJU ŠATORA, TJ. UZ ULAZNI OTVOR KOJI OBAVEZNO TREBA OTVORITI KAKO BI SE NAPRAVILO PROVJETRAVANJE. NAKON KUHANJA, OBAVEZNO DOBRO PROVJETRITI ŠATOR!

Re: PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ

PostPosted: 18 Feb 2010, 12:34
by Armin
jesu to oni grah kuhali ... ?

Re: PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ

PostPosted: 18 Feb 2010, 12:37
by nona
JOs da dodam jednu stvar u vezi koristenja plinskog kuhala u satoru. Bilo je slucajeva da se kuhalo prevrne ili bilo kako dohvati nesto od opreme (vrecu, jaknu, zid satora i sl.). Vatra se siri tako brzo da je bilo slucajeva da ljudi gore u satoru KOJI SE ZA SEKUNDU PRETVORI U BUKTINJU, ne stizuci izletit vani jer poliester, najlon i sl. sintetika gori "brzinom misli". STOGA SAV OPREZ!!!
(Opekotine od sintetickih materijala su vrlo zahebane, posto se plastika prvo topi i lijepi za kozu. Ako nam je sva odjeca od poliestera, najlona ili polipropilena... Hm... mozete zamislit tu frku! A takvi materijali nemaju alternativu u planini, u februaru, na 1500m, na minus i nekoliko. Opet, OPREZ!)

Re: PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ

PostPosted: 18 Feb 2010, 12:46
by nailovamater

Re: PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ - CO (karbon monoksid)

PostPosted: 18 Feb 2010, 15:35
by siffredi
nesvjesticu , mučninu i povraćanje, otežano disanje, poremećenu koordinacija pokreta...

Ja ove simptome dobijem svaki put poslije sarajevske klipace! :ž

Malo shale, a materi hvala na informacijama, veoma poucno..pozdrav

Re: PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ - CO (karbon monoksid)

PostPosted: 18 Feb 2010, 22:03
by Stijena
Svaka čast momci na upozorenjima.
Nije u pitanju uvijek neznanje.Euforije,raspoloženja ova ili ona često utječu da se zaboravljaju naizgled bezvezne stvari,a ustvari vrlo opasne po život.
Ovi gore postovi od nailovematere i none su za svaku pažnju i sjećanje. :/golemo!

Re: PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ - CO (ugljen monoksid)

PostPosted: 01 Mar 2010, 11:48
by Baltazar
Ko nije procitao a bio je gore, imao je uzivo lekciju od Gafe (cini mi se da ga je to bas pogodilo)...
Trovanje dvije osobe istom koncentracijom, a razlika u posljedicama zbog nivoa iscrpljenosti prilicno velika.

Primus - napolje!

Re: PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ - CO (ugljen monoksid)

PostPosted: 01 Mar 2010, 19:06
by dabar
vlada napolje!!!

Re: PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ - CO (ugljen monoksid)

PostPosted: 16 Jan 2011, 00:18
by Mare
Kad smo vec kod tog genijalnog izuma, primusa, sta mislite o ovim pijacarskim "NURGAZ" neka turska firma xD kostaju oko 10 km, punjenje kosta 1.5 km 190 g butan, ja sam nekoliko puta sa njim skuhao vise od litar vode po pravo jakom sjevercu i minusu i to iznenadjujuce brzo 6-7 minuta, a uvijek ga nosim sa sobom, tumba se godinama po ruksaku, ali josh uvijek radi :D dokle ce ne znam, mene jedino strah da se sta ne zapali/explodira jer se onaj dio kod ventila jako brzo zagrije vec nakon 2-3 min. se ne smije dirnut prstom koliko bude vruČO :)

Re: PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ - CO (ugljen monoksid)

PostPosted: 16 Jan 2011, 00:29
by Mare
Btw. sjecam se perioda iz ratnog Sarajeva kad su se koristili oni improvizovani gorionici pravljeni od raznih cijevi, znam da me uvijek uzasno bolila glava kad je gorio plin, iako je kod mene taj gorionik bio mali, mozda je imao plamen kao 2 obicna gorionika za kuhanje, i to u prostoriji 20-tak m2, kako je tek u satoru sa 2 m2, sad ne znam koliko ovaj zemni gas proizvodi CO, predpostavljam manje od butana..

Re: PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ - CO (ugljen monoksid)

PostPosted: 17 Jan 2011, 02:17
by 3oka
kolicina pretpostavki i improvizacija je za temu "bear grylss"

Re: PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ - CO (ugljen monoksid)

PostPosted: 17 Jan 2011, 23:54
by Mare
Ma nije velika kolicina, 1 pretpostavka i 1 improvizacija :mrgreen:

Re: PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ - CO (ugljen monoksid)

PostPosted: 20 Jan 2011, 16:48
by zilho

Re: PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ - CO (ugljen monoksid)

PostPosted: 21 Jan 2011, 10:18
by nona
:-D

Re: PODMUKLI NEPRIJATELJ - CO (ugljen monoksid)

PostPosted: 21 Jan 2011, 14:47
by zilho