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Forum Zone-2000 • View topic - Kad neko zivot izgubi, bice kasno!

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Kad neko zivot izgubi, bice kasno!

Postby prenj » 12 Jan 2009, 19:13

Molim Justhikera da opise, kako su on i njegov partner, na V.Vitu
pronasli dvojicu planinara bez capina i dereza u ledu.

Pa ljudi dragi. Izgleda da stvarno neko mora zijaniti
da bi se doslo pameti.


Do sada smo, mi sa Zona, da ne bi bas puno pametovali, bili umjereni u davanjima savjeta - jer kod nas u ovom hebenom vilajetu, ako nesto znas - nevaljas, ispadnes: temerit, dosada, opsiran, no cool itd. .

E od sada cemo trubiti na svim postovima, prvi ja, pa ko hoce nek' cita, ko nece, nek' ide bez opreme u led, u maglu, u planine koje ne pozna, nek' se ne raspituje, nikom ne javi kad krene itd!!!.

Justahiker, please, budi malo opsiran i dosadan.

I evo ponovo ako ko krene na Vito po ovim minusima. Oprostite sto sam samo dvaput pomenuo da trebaju capin i dereze!!!!

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Izbrisat cu svako spamovanje istog trena!!!!!!
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Postby dabar » 12 Jan 2009, 21:02

ma ja neb izbacio mogucnost da ima ljudi koji se stide pitati za neke stvari kad cuju i vide kako svi "sve znaju"... ili ce mozda ispasti levati i sminkeri jer na vito nose cepin i dereze, zato sto to neki u japankama popenju...itd isl
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Postby prenj » 12 Jan 2009, 21:21

Slazem se s tobom, ima ih.
Od danas ce informacije biti postavljanje onima koji ih trebaju i zele citati, a ne mogu od spama.
Sav spam ce biti izbrisan na svim postovima na kojima zainteresirani mogu pronaci informaciju.
Te informacije citaju planinari iz cijele regije i bice im dostupne.
Na postovima po sumama i gorama: gdje se planira za vikend, i gdje se islo za vikend, oni koji zele info, ne mogu nista pronaci.
Sve cemo uraditi da informacije na Zonama budu vidljivije.

Za nase interne zezancije bice mjesta na Zone i Zonzoni,
pa cemo do mile volje. Kad zavrsimo cistku i ja jedva cekam da udarim po zezanciji
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Postby motika » 13 Jan 2009, 00:16

konkretno znam ko je isao gore, zasto, i kompletnu pricu oko njihovog uspona na vito...ne moze se reci da su krenuli na "juris" i da su sasvim zeleni, medjutim da su pogrijesili - jesu...i bez toga da im je ocitana bukvica svjesni su greske i nece im se ponoviti ;-)

p.s. mislim da je dabar upravu donekle kad kaze da se neka raja i ne usudi pitati, obzirom da smo ovdje na forumu, manje-vise, u familijarnoj atmosferi ;-)

ali, ja prvi pitam i ljeti kad idem u nepoznato, stoga poticem i druge da isto urade kad god im treba informacija - a hvala Bogu, na ovom forumu ima dosta raje koja uvijek moze pomoci ;-)
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Postby nailovamater » 13 Jan 2009, 11:06

dok god je sujete biće i srljanja :roll:
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Postby justahiker » 13 Jan 2009, 12:45

Pozdrav!
Evo posto je Prenj otvorio ovu temu zasebno i zamolio me da stavim opis dogadjaja, kao upozorenje mnogima koji idu napamet, neinformisani, neadekvatno pripremljeni i vjerovatno nesvjesni eventualnih posljedica, pisem ovaj post.

Da preskocim uvod, dakle dosavsi u amfiteatar sa prijateljem, vidimo tri tackice koje se lagano penju markom prema grebenu Vite.
Prativsi njihovu prtinu, lagano ih stizemo. Vec na pocetku samog uspona na greben osjeca se led pod nogama, ispod nekih 20ak centimetera svjezeg prsica. Posljednji od njih trojice koji je vec zaostao, zali se da ima problema sa cipelom, jer mu se djon lagano poceo odvaljivati. Svjestan da po takvom ledu i sa takvom cipelom nece daleko doci, momak odlucuje da se vrati nazad u dom na Tusilima.
Nastavljamo uspon i primjecujemo da dvije tacke ispred nas vec neko vrijeme stoje na istom mjestu. Stigavsi ih nekih 100-ak metara (mjereno odokativnom metodom) od vrha grebena, spoznajemo da nemaju ni dereza, ni cepina, te da iz tog razloga nisu mogli dalje, jer uspon postaje sve strmiji.
Unatoc, "upozorenju" da se nece moci popeti na vrh bez navedene opreme, momci nastavljaju uspon sa nama. Posljednjih 15ak metara uspona je bila kombinacija leda i kamena, tako da je svako eventualno poskliznuce znacilo zavrsiti u samom dnu amfiteatra sa, slobodno mogu reci, tragicnim posljedicama.
Sve u svemu, uz dosta peripetija i penjanja gore dole, te pomazuci jedni drugima, uz realno veliku kolicinu straha, cetiri covjeka su se popela na vrh grebena sa dva cepina i dva para dereza.
Odatle je sve islo, naravno, puno lakse, a povratak je slijedio obilaznim putem iza mokrih stijena, pa do Sinananovica i nazad do Tusila.
Dan poslije je ekipa predvodjena Simarom, koristila cak i uze da se ispenju na vrh grebena, sto znaci da svi trenutni uslovi gore nisu nimalo naivni.

Sto motika rece, ovi momci nisu "zeleni" (iz kasnijeg razgovora to saznajemo), no to stvar cini jos tragicnijom po meni. Sta onda ocekivati od nekoga ko je dobio tek nekave povrsne informacije o Viti zimi i eto prohtjelo mu se da prohoda do gore.

Glavna uloga ovog foruma jeste upravo razmjena informacija i iskustava i ne vidim razloga, zasto neko ne bi nesto upitao ako trazi informaciju, na stranu svo ono silno spamanje na pojedinim temama.
Omasovljavanje planinarenja i generalno ovoga sto radimo je vrlo bitno i vazno, no to u isto vrijeme nosi, kako direktnu, tako i indirektnu odgovornost, svakog od nas.
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Postby ane i mare » 13 Jan 2009, 12:48

možda ljudi ne čitaju ovaj forum... :roll:
... i ja sam tamo bila i vino sam pila i još mi je jezik mokar.
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Postby justahiker » 13 Jan 2009, 12:58

Naravno, veliki broj ljudi ne cita forum, ali ipak dodju do nekakvih polovicnih informacija.
Zato i kazem da snosimo odredjenu (in)direktnu odgovornost.
Ako se nekom kaze, "Vito, ma to je lako, bezze, zajebancija..." ili sta ti ja znam ,a da tog istog ne upozoris i opomenes da bez cepina i dereza NE ide zimi... Onda si nekog poslao u veliki belaj.
Jos sto matera rece, sujeta proradi, pa ovaj konta, ako onaj moze, ma mogu i ja...

Eto super podloge za tragediju!
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Postby motika » 13 Jan 2009, 12:59

naravno da ga ne citaju svi zainteresirani, ali to ne znaci da informacije ne mogu dobiti iz prve ruke od pojedinaca u drustvima i sl.

helem, dobro je proslo, ne ponovilo se... ;-)
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Postby prenj » 13 Jan 2009, 13:07

Siguran sam da neki slican forum citaju, a na svakom od tih foruma bi trebalo ljude upozoravati na opasnosti koje skriva planina u koju idu.
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Postby nailovamater » 13 Jan 2009, 13:34

bolje odrat' tabane bježeći, nego umrijet' neodranih tabana!

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Postby justahiker » 13 Jan 2009, 13:47

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Postby nailovamater » 13 Jan 2009, 13:55

bolje odrat' tabane bježeći, nego umrijet' neodranih tabana!

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Postby nailovamater » 13 Jan 2009, 14:00

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